When Can Your Social Security Benefits Be Reduced?

31 October 2010 13 Comments Print This Post Email This Post

In earlier articles we talked about the Government Pension Offset (GPO) and the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP).  These two rules within the Social Security Administration’s procedures reflect reductions to Social Security benefits for receiving pension benefits from a job where your salary is not subject to Social Security withholding.  Usually these are federal, state, or local government jobs, including teaching jobs at public institutions.  The WEP applies to your own Social Security benefit and pension, while the GPO applies to your spousal or survivor’s Social Security benefit and your own pension.

The WEP may impact you if you are receiving a pension from a non-covered government job and you also are qualified to receive Social Security benefits based upon your own record.  The same holds true for Spousal benefits – if you are receiving a government pension and are eligible for Spousal benefits, these can be reduced by the WEP.  Survivor’s benefits are NOT subject to the WEP.  For 2010 the maximum WEP reduction is $355.50, but it can be much less (even eliminated) depending on how long you worked in the Social Security-covered job and how much money you made there.

The GPO may impact you if you are receiving a pension from a government job and are qualified to receive Survivor’s benefits based upon your spouse’s or ex-spouse’s record.  Your Survivor benefit may be reduced by an amount equal to two-thirds of the amount of your pension.

  • Jim Blankenship, CFP®, EA

    You’re most welcome, Hal.

  • Hal

    Jim, Thank you for clarifying the SSA process for spousal benefits. I just hope they don’t reduce or eliminate my own benefit as I have become to depend on it for the past 13+ years, and after all these years, I have lost much of the paperwork on how it was determined. Have a good year, and thank you again for the much needed service you provide. Hal

  • Jim Blankenship, CFP®, EA

    Hello Hal -

    The way your situation is being handled by SSA is correct. The GPO provides that your Spousal or Surviving Spouse benefit is reduced by 2/3 of your government pension. Therefore, if the Spousal benefit is less than 2/3 of your government pension, there is no Spousal benefit payable.

    Hope this helps you to understand it a bit better -

    jb

  • Hal

    Jim, I am 77 in June & my wife is 63. Social Security determined my benefit as a husband would be $617.60, in addition to the benefit of $395.10 on my own earnings record. I started receiving my benefit in 1997, when I retired from the Federal government and applied for spouse’s benefits in 2011. Social Security states that they cannot pay me the spousal benefit, however, because two-thirds the amount of my government pension is equal to or larger than the monthly Social Security benefit. “Government Pension Offset.” Thank you for your help. Hal

  • Jim Blankenship, CFP®, EA

    Hal,

    I need more information in order to answer your question.

    Spousal benefit amounts depend upon your age, your spouse’s age, the amount of your own benefit, the amount of your spouse’s benefit, and (in your case) the amount of any non-covered benefits.

    That information should be enough for me to review your facts and let you know what I think…

    jb

  • Hal

    Jim, I recently applied for spousal benefits and was informed that Social Security could not pay me because two-thirds the amount of my government pension is equal to or larger than the monthly Social Security benefit. Is this correct. Hal

    (Sorry about the error in submitting the question on 11 April. It came out as “Jim said.”)

  • Jim

    Jim, I recently applied for spousal benefits and was informed that Social Security could not pay me because two-thirds the amount of my government pension is equal to or larger than the monthly Social Security benefit. Is this correct. Hal

  • Jim Blankenship, CFP®, EA

    Ruth -

    When you are receiving a pension from a governmental entity, your Social Security payments can be reduced due to the Windfall Elimination Provision. However, if you have had several years of earnings subject to Social Security and the earnings were “substantial”, your reduction could be eliminated or at least reduced.

    You can find out more about the substantial earnings provision in the article “Windfall Elimination Provision

    Hope this helps -

    jb

  • Ruth

    Hi Jim, I am very confused. I am divorced from a retired Foreign Service employee from the “old system” He retired and I am getting his
    spousal pension of $1981 per month. I presently work as a nurse and pay into social security. I have been told that when I choose to retire my social security payments will be less since I am getting his government pension. Can you shed some light on this for me? I have been reading all your articles, but still am confused. I am 60 years old and do not see how I can retire if my Social security will be reduced. Thank you so much. Ruth Dumont

  • Jim Blankenship, CFP®, EA

    Yes – if it is less than 12 months since you started receiving benefits you can withdraw and repay the prior benefits. If it is past 12 months since you started receiving benefits, you’ll need to work with the SSA to determine what the impacts will be for you.

    The SSA has methods to deal with a situation after 12 months – but it’s not the same as the withdraw and re-pay that is now only available within the first 12 months. Typically this will mean resetting your beginning date or some other change to your record. Work with your SSA office locally or call their hotline for more details.

    Hope this helps -

    jb

  • carol

    Once you have started collecting social security (at age 62) can that be stopped?

  • Jim Blankenship, CFP®, EA

    I’m not an expert on Disability Benefits, but as far as I can tell from reading up on the matter, your state of residence doesn’t seem to have an impact on the benefit.

    I’d suggest calling the Social Security office and ask them, that should get you the most valid answer…

    If anyone reading this has additional information to offer, please do so.

    jb

  • chase

    If a person receiving ssdi moves from NJ to NC can the benefits be reduced because of lower cost of living index in NC?
    Thanks